Matt and Carmen are parents to five children and live in Arizona. Matt and Carmen became involved with counseling in 2008 when he trained under John Regier of Caring for the Heart Ministries. They have since been involved in counseling for pre-marriage and crisis-marriage couples. Prior to this Matt worked at a local cabinet shop in various capacities before serving as Director of Operations and Care and Counseling at Fairlawn Mennonite Church in 2010-2014. He currently serves as an Assistant Supervisor of a Day Training Center for adults with disabilities. Carmen also helps at the Training Center and home schools their children.